The Gordon Murray T.50s Can Drive Upside Down

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The Track Only T.50s has more power, more downforce, and less weight.
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The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50s is the track-only version of their latest supercar. It has a 4.0L naturally aspirated V12 engine producing 720 horsepower, it weighs less than 900 kg, and it creates over 1500 kg of downforce. That's enough downforce to even drive upside down. Murray: “Designing the racing car’s aerodynamics has been extremely rewarding. My love for motorsport really fueled the development of this car. The aerodynamics are so effective that the T.50s would be capable of driving upside down, and could do so at as little as 175mph.”
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"Gordon Murray Automotive has announced a racing-focused version of the T.50 supercar that will be even lighter, faster, and more powerful. With all of the road-going T.50 supercars selling out within 48 hours of the global premiere, customer demand has turned to the 25 super-exclusive and highly-individual racing models.
Priced at £3.1m (before taxes) the racing variant - codenamed T.50s - weighs just 890kg, while its Cosworth GMA V12 engine develops even more power. The new car also features a 1,758mm-wide delta wing mounted to the rear of the car, which works with the rear-mounted fan, a new front splitter, underbody aerofoil and adjustable diffusers to generate more than 1,500kg of downforce - 170% of the weight of the car.
The new car’s historically-significant official name will be announced later this year at its global reveal. More than half of the exclusive production run has already been sold - before any details were released. Murray now expects interest to soar as prospective owners hear of the boundary breaking performance potential of the T.50s.
Professor Gordon Murray: “With an unwavering focus on performance, and free from road-going legislation and maintenance considerations, the T.50s will achieve astonishing performance on track, demonstrating the full extent of the car’s capabilities. We’ve thrown everything at pushing this car beyond the levels of anything that’s been done before - it’s a celebration of British engineering and our team’s extensive motorsport experience.”
The extensively re-engineered T.50s features hundreds of significant revisions for race and track use over the road-going T.50. The stripped-back interior highlights the track focus and contributes to the new car’s 94kg weight loss. This enhanced lightweighting and the car’s phenomenal downforce ratio will ensure the car performs like nothing else on a racing circuit."
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  • Bloody Pommel Studios
    Bloody Pommel Studios7 dager siden

    Seeing a car drive upside down would be an amazing publicity stunt. Very dangerous stunt given the speed needed and building the track wouldn't be cheap but I think it would be worth it. I think this trick would be pretty easy with an RC car designed for this purpose. Driving up a wall would be doable too provided you had a ramp up to it and hit the ramp with enough speed.

  • jonntischnabel
    jonntischnabel9 dager siden

    For the record. In the UK Murray doesn't rhyme with hooray 😂😂😂

  • srinitaaigaura
    srinitaaigaura17 dager siden

    I like that uncompromised vision of Gordon, he doesn't compromise road setup for track setup or vice versa. The main thing here which even you failed to mention in the T50 video where you felt the fan was overrated was the ride height -- the road car drives 5.5 inches off the ground so the venturi effect is not going to be anywhere near a race car. A race car like a DTM? I doubt if you could stick a finger underneath. What that does is, it makes the venturi effect and the role of the diffuser much, much stronger. That's where the fan really shows what it's got. A car like that is almost vacuumed to the ground. The fact that the T50s can get to 210 mph with almost twice its weight in downforce means it's remarkably aerodynamically efficient - for comparison, in a top speed run of the Senna, which makes much less downforce and more power, it got up to 170-180 mph easily, and then it hit a wall of drag and somehow just barely struggled past 200 mph. And you can't really drive that car well on the road - ride is super rough, the wing is a giant parachute, mpg is abysmal, getting the bottom scraped and damaging the vortex generators is too easy, R tires are useless in rain, and on and on it goes.

  • Simon Alexander Critchley
    Simon Alexander Critchley22 dager siden

    The road car mass is quoted at 985kg(dry most likely),whereas you have listed the track car at 890kg,how was this further reduction achieved ? Or did I miss something ?

  • bmahoney1568
    bmahoney156825 dager siden

    Except you treated downforce as static, which it is not as it relates to speed. You didn’t even mention at what speed those quoted downforce numbers were for, which is important since manufacturers often quote downforce at different speeds and then to make comparisons you need to normalize downforce to a speed?

  • Nathan Aldrich
    Nathan Aldrich27 dager siden

    That's literally the amg one, there's no t.50s this is ridiculous

  • Ian Stalker
    Ian StalkerMåned siden

    This ignores the fuel system won't work upside down. Also even dry sump oil system relies on gravity to get the oil to the scavenger pump. Gonna blow up quick.

  • Dr45120sharp Rothstein
    Dr45120sharp RothsteinMåned siden

    The kgf all over again .

  • amjan
    amjanMåned siden

    I'm disappointed that the car was not named "McLaren F0"

  • James
    JamesMåned siden

    So what I learned from this is to put these tires on a ford pinto and wreck havoc at the track

  • dhruv meena
    dhruv meenaMåned siden

    so, sir gordon murray made a million dollar hotwheels, now we need a track for it

  • COMMENT
    COMMENT2 måneder siden

    So one can"t slipstream behind the T50s in racing.. it will blow you away

  • Shifty Malone
    Shifty Malone2 måneder siden

    Yes, Newtons. F = mg, mass multiplied by gravity. You'll need much more than an equal amount of downforce. About 9.81 times more, actually. For a car that weighs 890kg to drive upside down it would need OVER 8,730.9N of downforce,. Almost 9kN, maybe? Because, gravity...

  • Robert
    Robert2 måneder siden

    When is someone actually going o have the balls to drive a car upside down? Been hearing this for 20 years!

  • JESUS IS CALLING YOU
    JESUS IS CALLING YOU2 måneder siden

    This video reminds me of the theory of strapping a buttered slice of toast to the back of a cat.

  • ShionShinigami
    ShionShinigami2 måneder siden

    Gordon Murray simply schools hyped youtuber cars like the McLaren Senna, Aventador SVJ and whatever ugly edgy thing comes across with his T.50.

  • Luke David
    Luke David2 måneder siden

    So how does this compare to the valkyrie? That thing has some crazy numbers attached to it as well. We need to see those two going head to head around a track!

  • Donald Alm
    Donald Alm2 måneder siden

    Red bull needs one of these cars and do the upside-down stunt with it

  • Mike Coxmaul
    Mike Coxmaul3 måneder siden

    🤞

  • Gacheru Mburu
    Gacheru Mburu3 måneder siden

    👍

  • HeerYanus
    HeerYanus3 måneder siden

    I love your white board calculations as always.. but of course we can not really take the 'maximum downforce' for any speed.. so that circle calculation would become a bit more complicated, since Df really is also a function of v. edit: Or maybe you did take that into account but thought it would be to much of a mess for the board

  • J_Morris143
    J_Morris1433 måneder siden

    Agent Jay and Bruce Wayne did this already. Didn't they?

  • SeiFeOne
    SeiFeOne3 måneder siden

    May i ask: the cars dont have the given downforce numbers during standstill oder very low speeds. Guess those downforce numbers are at pretty high speeds, so they should be taken into consideration in that cornering calculation.

  • Bryan B
    Bryan B3 måneder siden

    But you didn't get into its antigravity device...found it in the other video, lol

  • علي العودة
    علي العودة3 måneder siden

    Boring videos I want once in my life before I die to watch them in full. I tried, but it's very difficult

  • Oven King
    Oven King3 måneder siden

    How much HP per LTR does a motorcycle make?

  • Manowits Wilken
    Manowits Wilken4 måneder siden

    Where does Jason live? Idaho, USA. Not Europe or Asia. Please drop all the Metric system. I'm sure those other parts of the globe has their own "Jasons".

  • Mihai Voiculescu
    Mihai Voiculescu4 måneder siden

    Michael Schumacher drove a Mercedes SLS AMG upside down in a tunnel in Germany in 2012

  • alexandre dubois
    alexandre dubois4 måneder siden

    Always pretty interesting ! In 1982 the Porsche 956 was supposed to be able to drive upside down as well ...

  • The Luminous One
    The Luminous One4 måneder siden

    it look like it belongs in the late 90s with the first Zonda

  • Nikhil Shibyal
    Nikhil Shibyal4 måneder siden

    We would prefer a practical

  • mills
    mills4 måneder siden

    The Nissan delta wing needs less downforce to carry high corner speeds. I wonder how they compare

  • DH 1399
    DH 13994 måneder siden

    This video makes be wonder if there's any amount of aero lift that would offset rolling resistance for net positive efficiency improvements at highway speeds.

  • Radek Żukowski
    Radek Żukowski4 måneder siden

    I hate that the talk about downforce is missing the speed at which it is generated at.

  • Slade The Original
    Slade The Original4 måneder siden

    1 mile circle in 22 seconds, around 175mph.

  • Mark Chisholm
    Mark Chisholm4 måneder siden

    There are a number of road legal vehicles with engines more powerful per litre. Motorbikes. 200bhp per litre is the new baseline for superbikes.

  • John Clucas
    John Clucas4 måneder siden

    You have to make significant assumptions and simplifications to get produce your times round a circle. I accept that. However you are ignoring one signifcant factor. Downforce increases with the square of speed. So because the T50 is going (much) faster round the bend its downforce advantage will significantly greater than your figures show. The "Viper" probably will have less than its (assumed) 1.5g.

  • K2o
    K2o4 måneder siden

    Don't understand rant.. Its n/kg is metric..

  • datsuntoyy
    datsuntoyy4 måneder siden

    I've known a couple of people that have tried it with their cars. They don't recommend it.

  • Emily Simms
    Emily Simms4 måneder siden

    It looks like a 488/Huayra/McLaren F1/ Porsche Taycan. A beaut

  • Albert Gérard
    Albert Gérard4 måneder siden

    GMA T.50 makes 180 hp / L ? My truck makes 150 hp / 2.3 L

  • Kevin Burke
    Kevin Burke4 måneder siden

    Would this car have more effective downforce than the Chapparal 2J around corners? The 2J having those active skirts keeping the gap the same around turns(while I'm assuming body roll might have a play in the T50S lifting more on one side around corners?)

  • JSadboi
    JSadboi4 måneder siden

    I’d sell my soul to sit next to this guy in physics class

  • ealingj
    ealingj4 måneder siden

    It’ll be very interesting to see what this car can actually do on track. 4 second advantage around a 1 mile track vs Viper ACR is nuts. Jason, please do a video on how this version of the T.50 has so much downforce when the calculation for the street version was not all that impressive. From the sketch, only the front splitter and the rear wing are substantially different? Maybe spit angle has something to do with it?

  • tummypierced
    tummypierced4 måneder siden

    Isn't it shooting pebbles out the back end? A fast vacuum with no bag.

  • River Dreams
    River Dreams4 måneder siden

    Dude, you're a better instructor that my Physics tescher.

  • samscil
    samscil4 måneder siden

    "metric horsepower" 👌

  • Rob H
    Rob H4 måneder siden

    Lucan Iptoc it's Australia.

  • Magellanic SpaceClouds
    Magellanic SpaceClouds4 måneder siden

    Can you please do a video about a car going around a track vs a motorcycle? Speed, grip, acceleration, etc.

  • Scott Halliwell
    Scott Halliwell4 måneder siden

    Hey all, so why did it take to 1966 for F1's to get with the wing thing when they worked out elyptical and short wing areodynamics in WW2

  • Matt Johnson
    Matt Johnson4 måneder siden

    It seems like when designing for downforce, the aero drag coefficient would go up a lot...how is this not prohibitive to making the fastest/best track car?

  • leborde
    leborde4 måneder siden

    Thank you for the metric !!!

  • YEET
    YEET4 måneder siden

    Bruh what's your iq

  • MMM DDD
    MMM DDD4 måneder siden

    Just need a murray light car with suction cup tires to drive upside down.

  • deaderer 000
    deaderer 0004 måneder siden

    Road legal engine? I think you mean road legal car engine. Theres a few motorcycle engines out there that make more HP per liter

  • N H
    N H4 måneder siden

    Cool! And you’ll be upside down in your loan once you drive it off the lot!

  • Claud Reindl
    Claud Reindl4 måneder siden

    So, for some added excitement (and terrible accidents) some day we will see race tracks with 2 longitudinally twisted sections with an inverted section between!

  • Fixing W/ Friends
    Fixing W/ Friends4 måneder siden

    ...Don't you mean, it has enough _upforce_ to drive upside down? *oh, you made that comment. Fine Jason, fine... be like that.

  • Trash bag
    Trash bag4 måneder siden

    Does anybody have the spit trajectories of other supercars?

  • BLITZKRIEG
    BLITZKRIEG4 måneder siden

    Murray said he gives weights with fluids but no fuel

  • Anuj Sharma
    Anuj Sharma4 måneder siden

    Getting clean air out of oil filler cap when it is open,(blowby) is it ok ?? Petrol engine.

  • Kenny Hill
    Kenny Hill4 måneder siden

    Need a bumper sticker that reads " back off " I chew REDMAN , on the windshield

  • Ryan Villa Lopez
    Ryan Villa Lopez4 måneder siden

    I don’t want an inverted engine, it might spark something in another dimension there’s a movie out called “tenant”

  • douglas lamoureaux
    douglas lamoureaux4 måneder siden

    Simplified discussion about lateral grip. Lateral weight transfer in corners and tires working together by judicious use of spring rates and sway bars allow my Subaru to regularly pull, according to my datalogger, 1.5 gees peak in corners with no aero, on Bridgestone RE71Rs while autocrossing. I'm looking forward to trying the Yokohama A052 tires next season.

  • John Bond
    John Bond4 måneder siden

    My next thought on driving upside down with an internal combustion engine as a power plant, is lubrication failure from oil bieng affected by gravity. So could we consider an electric vehicle for this, or is the math now upside down.

  • jackywng123
    jackywng1234 måneder siden

    *FIA have left the chat*

  • Wim Woittiez
    Wim Woittiez4 måneder siden

    If you use systematically use the proper unit for force, the Newton, you don't have this funny multiplication by g. Of course, in the real world, kg is often used, but you are an engineering teacher! Might as well do things right!

  • marcel151
    marcel1514 måneder siden

    Porsche did make a car in 1982 which could do that, too. The 956 could drive upside down at 321.4 kph (199.8 mph).

  • TrevelyanOO6
    TrevelyanOO64 måneder siden

    To be able to comfortably bank up the walls, what diameter/circumference would a tunnel have to have? What about the airflow in the tunnel affecting down force? If we’re going to do this, there are still some details to work through in another video.

  • Gordy Kilcollins
    Gordy Kilcollins4 måneder siden

    "Men lie, women lie, number DON'T" if THIS Dude says it, then it's worth a study

  • Kavinsky Smith
    Kavinsky Smith4 måneder siden

    Great now I'm thinking of Gordon Murray going, oh the Gumpert Appolo can drive up side down Eh?!, Well TAKE THIS! and mine doesnt look like an ugly lego blocks kit either!

  • DH Wardani
    DH Wardani4 måneder siden

    This is no different from people falling for how “great” the Tesla roadster is when they haven’t proved any of their claims w a real world prototype! Let stop babying companies for putting out the bare minimum of new design and applaud them when they actually get working production models to the public

  • Assorted Subscriptions
    Assorted Subscriptions4 måneder siden

    This is a fantastic channel

  • jay jay
    jay jay4 måneder siden

    So many videos about this car, can they just simply drive it?

  • TheLaimer
    TheLaimer4 måneder siden

    So IF you would really drive upside down: - the fuel pump(s) would run dry, because there's no fuel anymore on the bottom except it's some kind of balloon system - oil pressure would drop, even if it's a dry sump system, because the oil would move to the cylinder heads/pistons and - oil would flow out of the crankcase ventilation system - coolant and brake fluid circuits would suck in air - feel free to continue

  • Nafiz Ahmed Shafin

    Nafiz Ahmed Shafin

    4 måneder siden

    Yeah, that's the thing of thinking.😟😟

  • espo8798
    espo87984 måneder siden

    I remember the Saleen S7 accomplished this like 20 years ago

  • SHIFTY
    SHIFTY4 måneder siden

    Wow. So can s a lot of other, better cars

  • glenn alexon
    glenn alexon4 måneder siden

    The T.50S can drive upside down? Too bad you didn't have a camera with you... Oh, you're guessing, and the car doesn't exist? Cool clickbait, dude.

  • S2000Y
    S2000Y4 måneder siden

    And until someone does it..........

  • enricio
    enricio4 måneder siden

    That's a long time since I heard about GMD. 🤓. I wondered if this genius was out of business. 🙃

  • Balafoutre
    Balafoutre4 måneder siden

    Ahh....maths+physics.....and the people are fixated on sex.....!!! If you know Sir Gordon Murray , he is that good...because he is all analog.... He calculates on paper and pen....!!! Can you believe that!!!

  • Capital Diaz
    Capital Diaz4 måneder siden

    “Hopefully you make it” ever the optimist I see 😂

  • Alex Beattie
    Alex Beattie4 måneder siden

    I put Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires on my charger scat pack and it made a world of a difference. It almost feels like a sports car instead of a big heavy sedan. I can toss it around confidently with so much cornering grip now. It takes a lot to oversteer even when I am heavy footed into a slow corner. I also shed half a second on my 0-60 time from 4.4 to 3.9.

  • 1CrazySnake
    1CrazySnake4 måneder siden

    BEAST! Nice car. I just got a 2020 GT500 I Love your work. I just started a channel give me a follow =-)

  • Sebastian MARCIANO
    Sebastian MARCIANO4 måneder siden

    Overhyped

  • Cam
    Cam4 måneder siden

    You know what, we just need to stop "talking" about this but, instead, actually build a hot wheels ramp to test these theories...

  • On Wheels
    On Wheels4 måneder siden

    A µ of 1.2 isn't really a very sticky tyre/road combination. A racing slick on a rubbered in track has 1.9-2.0. And about the grip formula: µ decreases with vertical load.

  • Geoffrey McKenzie
    Geoffrey McKenzie4 måneder siden

    In order for a car to drive upside down wouldn't it require a inverted fuel and oil pump?

  • Snahl Hug
    Snahl Hug4 måneder siden

    MIB tunnel scene, here we go!

  • Lowbvll
    Lowbvll4 måneder siden

    Is it me or does the front end kinda resemble the mclaren f1? Lol

  • Fraser White
    Fraser White4 måneder siden

    The Cosworth has been replaced by the Olympus 593

  • Dirceu Corsetti
    Dirceu Corsetti4 måneder siden

    Came here for the driving upside-down math. Got impressed with the cornering speed.

  • Viktor Mikudík
    Viktor Mikudík4 måneder siden

    2.69 Df. Nice

  • Patchogs
    Patchogs4 måneder siden

    Fantastic video. Informative, educational & pretty f-ing cool 😎

  • Darren Lane
    Darren Lane4 måneder siden

    More to the point... who cares? if its upside down your already in trouble lol

  • AnhYeuEmMaiMai69
    AnhYeuEmMaiMai694 måneder siden

    lol when you have to go through elaborate steps to prove a theory...lol I hate to brake this to you but as soon as that thing goes upside down the engine will grenade it's self due to lack of lubrication

  • Andrew Norris
    Andrew Norris4 måneder siden

    At some point in the future, they will take one of these vintage cars and with a robot driver make it go upside down in a tunnel. AI will spot this comment! Likely I will be dead by then. Hello future people, hope it is ok :) Be nice to each other :)

  • Morten Brønsby
    Morten Brønsby4 måneder siden

    Naturally aspirated horsepower, imho does not include the ram air effect, which is a kind of force-feeding, not from a motor driven blower, but from the forward motion driven by the engine.

  • Busi Xnesse
    Busi Xnesse4 måneder siden

    Lets create a body with lift rather than downforce, lower power motor and heavy wheels, for drag racing 👍

  • DingleNutZ
    DingleNutZ4 måneder siden

    The conversion to newtons isn't illogical. That 9.8 you need to multiply by is gravity.

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