Manual vs Dual Clutch - What's The Best Transmission?

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What's The Best Transmission For A Sports Car? Manual vs DCT
Hyundai Veloster N 6MT vs N DCT - Sponsored by Hyundai.
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The 2021 Hyundai Veloster N now comes with two transmission options: a 6-speed manual transmission, or an 8-speed dual clutch transmission. Which begs the question, which transmission should you pick? In this video we'll explain how manual transmissions work, as well as how dual clutch transmissions work. We'll then look at the inner workings of Hyundai's 6MT as well as their N DCT. Finally, we'll discuss the advantages of each style of transmission by looking at weight, cost, efficiency, performance, shift speed, torque delivery, driver engagement, and gear ratios.

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  • Syazwan Wan
    Syazwan WanDag siden

    Dct vs cvt

  • Mohun Ujoodha
    Mohun UjoodhaDag siden

    I love my manual transmission in my Baleno. Way eco-friendly and cheap.

  • Yigithan D.
    Yigithan D.2 dager siden

    just gotta love his videos... very educational yet simple and fun

  • Anthony D
    Anthony D2 dager siden

    Thank you for the explanation. Do DCT’s have a clutch pedal to push? If I understand there is no clutch pedal with on the DCT. You would shift through the gears with paddles or a tap of the shifter forward / backward without pressing a clutch pedal... right?

  • Px4164
    Px41648 dager siden

    Manual is better because is lighter

  • jamfoxs
    jamfoxs8 dager siden

    Manual easily. Hyundai's DCT is notorious for being clunky at times.

  • Billy Boy
    Billy Boy9 dager siden

    The mDCT was a 2500.00 option on my BMW M2 but the performance is so good that it's an excellent trade-off for me. I did a lot of shifting as a kid but now I want to waft along and take it easy.

  • Brian Stanaland
    Brian Stanaland9 dager siden

    I’ve always thought the Veloster was a neat design. Glad to see Hyundai “hot rod” it.

  • Angl0sax0nknight
    Angl0sax0nknight10 dager siden

    Curious how Hyundai duel clutch is compared to the PDK....

  • lannym
    lannym11 dager siden

    whiteboard = manual transmission, digital overlay = DCT

  • Paul
    Paul11 dager siden

    What a amazing video damn

  • Lai Rex
    Lai Rex18 dager siden

    I can’t imagine how much crank was the guy smoking when he invented the transmission? Lol

  • Allen Loser
    Allen Loser23 dager siden

    The power band of my 2004 VW TDI is from about 1,500 rpm to 2,500 rpm. It has a five speed manual transmission. Shifting at 2,200 rpm is common except for the 1 to 2 shift. I sometime skip a gear in light load conditions. I learned to drive on cars with three and four speed transmissions. An engine's power band is too narrow if more than five forward gears are needed

  • Shevet Levi
    Shevet Levi24 dager siden

    Gets to the heart of the matter at 8:33 . Tough choice for me. I've never owned an automatic and the only time I drive one is when I rent a car. Numbers are important to me although I've never come close to seeing the top speed of any car I've owned. I equate 140 lbs. lighter with being more nimble. On the other hand I'd like that 0-62mph in the 5's (with the DCT) and acceleration is a trait we see everyday. But the bottom line is fun isn't it? Yep, I think I'll pick engagement and fun over a half second faster to 62; manual transmission it is. Also since only 18% of Americans drive a manual it's a built in theft deterrent. Thanks guys.

  • R. Brown
    R. Brown24 dager siden

    Drive a regular Veloster since 2103 and love it. Gets excellent gas mileage and for the first few years I received a lot of positive comments about the styling, not so much any more as there are alot more on the road. It would be great if they made a AWD version of the N model.

  • Jupiter Technology 12.000
    Jupiter Technology 12.00024 dager siden

    How old are You Jason?

  • felix conde
    felix conde25 dager siden

    How do you service this yourself?

  • pitoms
    pitoms28 dager siden

    The best transmission is the coronavirus

  • Hreb
    Hreb29 dager siden

    Why would you ever need multiple final drive ratios for a single transmission? Why wouldn't they just pick one FD ratio, and then adjust the individual gear ratios accordingly to get the same effect?

  • Maj0r Muffin
    Maj0r MuffinMåned siden

    I just hope buyers of the dct don't experience the same problems we manual drivers have with faulty transmissions. I own an i30n and Engaging 6th gear is a real game of luck sometimes. Still waiting for Hyundai to fix this issue. If the dct was available 1,5 years ago when I bought the car, I would surely have gone for that.

  • colla 555
    colla 555Måned siden

    Automatic, newer BWM M models get an automatic for example

  • steve thomas
    steve thomasMåned siden

    Jason, hope you get the opportunity to test drive the other upcoming N models. Not a fan of the Veloster and will be very interested in the Elantra & Kona N. I will have to admit halfway through your video I thought "hope there isn't a test". The slower less efficient manual transmission for me

  • steve thomas
    steve thomasMåned siden

    With different final drive ratios, is there a difference in top speed?

  • mike goettina
    mike goettinaMåned siden

    my 6 speed in my mustang with 463 hp at the rear wheels and under 3000 lb no need for all the crap

  • mike goettina
    mike goettinaMåned siden

    ps if it has no clutch it is a crap city car for city boys

  • mike goettina
    mike goettinaMåned siden

    Manual is best as it not ran by a computer. computer suck in cars a real car has no computer and a real dash no fing tv screen on you dash no cell phone charger just a good real ride not all the new crap rides no fing cameras are needed and a real am fm radio with a real tape player as disks players suck the best tapes wear 8 tracks

  • SHINOKAMI GAMING
    SHINOKAMI GAMINGMåned siden

    Veloster is basically i30 right?

  • jamfoxs

    jamfoxs

    8 dager siden

    No, the Elantra gt is the equivalent of the i30.

  • datsuntoyy
    datsuntoyyMåned siden

    My biggest worry is that in that momentary time where both clutches are engaged its causing them to slip some till one fully takes over, it is causing excessive wear. I have a DSG with 104k on it and wonder about it's life span.

  • Canadian Rocketboy
    Canadian RocketboyMåned siden

    Based on the footage (@ 0:30), the Autobahn drive was, if not illegal, then certainly impolite. There's nobody in the right lane being passed by you, so you should be in the right lane. Pretty inconsiderate behavior towards the guy who could be coming up behind you at 230mph in his Veyron!

  • Supreme Being
    Supreme BeingMåned siden

    Will BMW ever make manual cars again that are available in the USA?

  • jungjoon choi
    jungjoon choiMåned siden

    How about cvt?

  • Wandering Wraith
    Wandering WraithMåned siden

    If I buy a project I’m getting a manual but I love the 7speed AT in my daily 370z.

  • Insert Name Here
    Insert Name HereMåned siden

    2:20 I thought he actually put his foot on the board. 😂

  • bravojonas
    bravojonasMåned siden

    Did get a dct kia stonic. Regreting it now. Manual next time again. Hate how it thinks it knows better than me wich gear to choose.

  • Nyum91 RedZonE Toramer
    Nyum91 RedZonE ToramerMåned siden

    MANUAL for life homie

  • Afrocanuk
    AfrocanukMåned siden

    I stick with the traditional 5-speed manual transmission thanks. Anyone who knows cars know its best to keep it clean, simple & reliable.

  • JZX TRD
    JZX TRDMåned siden

    Both have their advantages which have addressed. My personal input on advantage/disadvantage for a the dual clutch transmission, would be launch control (or consistent launches) and disadvantage 'car park manoeuvring' it takes time to get used to a dual clutch, there is a feeling of lack of control when not in direct control of the clutch itself, I find it difficult to find the sweet spot. They're not confidence inspiring when manoeuvring in tight places. Some real world track time comparisons would be great to see between these two (same but different) cars.

  • Robert Kesselring
    Robert KesselringMåned siden

    9:36 When was the last time you tried to bump start a car? If your battery is too low, you wont have enough to power up the ECM and pulse the injectors, so bump start wont work except in a very narrow range of conditions where you still have enough battery for the ECM, but not quite enough to start the engine.

  • lake holder
    lake holderMåned siden

    Im confused why theres 2 different final drives for every other gear. Why wpuld you want 3.8 for 1st and 2nd (great for acceleration) and then 3rd and 4th is 2.7 (not as good for accel)???

  • stan
    stanMåned siden

    most manuals are able to hold more power than stock which is a huge advantage when modding

  • Bill Turner
    Bill TurnerMåned siden

    Thank you again!! I finally understand DCT's. 😎👍

  • RIP J. Reyes
    RIP J. ReyesMåned siden

    This was immensely infiormative and was great to watch. Could you possibly do a comparison between the 3 cylinder engines BMW is using on their mini coopers, new 1 series and in the BMW R8 and compare that to something comparative? Sublimely good engine for a 3 cylinder which is refined well but hardly talked about technically! would love to know about the transmission of the mini f56 models! thank you for the content

  • Space Time
    Space TimeMåned siden

    Well explained, but one major Disadvantage of the DCT is that it is controlled by a computer and the program it is running. Many DCTs will prevent upshift & downshift that will not cause redline and will automatically upshift & downshift when in manual 'M' mode (i.e., PDK), hence there is really no true manual mode at all. A manual gearbox doesn't have that problem.

  • subiestevo
    subiestevoMåned siden

    Pretty terrible gas mileage for FWD. My GTI although slightly slower stock (not tuned) gets way better mpg.

  • Sanjay Pratap
    Sanjay PratapMåned siden

    Anybody else wondering why alternating gears operate on different final drive ratios? Logistics aside, I'd have thought it would make sense to have a more torque focused ratio for lower gears and less conversion and thus less loss in higher gears... Can anybody here explain the implementation in the Hyundai N-DCT ??

  • Panav Mendiratta
    Panav MendirattaMåned siden

    Best Car teacher ever Keep it up man

  • Bhigr Bond
    Bhigr BondMåned siden

    I love your explanation of the dual clutch transmission. It is immediately clear how it works. Great job of explaining a complex transmission in simple terms.

  • KALAYDAVITALIY
    KALAYDAVITALIYMåned siden

    Perhaps you will analyze the process: a return bearing is inserted into the bicycle pedal axis (freewheel without backlash). In the working sector, the torque increases and the radius of the pedal is increased. It could be very interesting for everyone. Thanks.

  • Jared Oldhouser
    Jared OldhouserMåned siden

    If your car has 2 pedals, you are not a man.........lmao

  • David Sumner
    David SumnerMåned siden

    Is it possible to have a clutch failure, where both clutches would be engaged at once? Sounds disastrous!

  • Dave B
    Dave BMåned siden

    *I'm sorry but a hyundai isn't a real sports car* . They are like copy cat generic knock offs of BMWs MBs and other cars like they had a hyundai that looked just like a jaguar called the xjs300 instead of the jaguar xj300 they even had the same shitty reliability. Knock off cars. I drove a new one with a tiptronic knock off transmission and shifting from 2nd to 1st was so off that I nearly got rear ended because the ratio was so bad. Better to buy a used sports car then a new hyundai

  • Paul Davison
    Paul DavisonMåned siden

    Thank you to the companies that give people the choice of manual or DCT. I thoroughly enjoy my DCT car and will never own another manual transmission car. I drive my car in manual mode most the time, but when I don't even want to think about shifting, I let the car do it.

  • saneauto
    saneautoMåned siden

    It just dawned on me why we all say "as you can see" on our automotive channels. Its all your fault Jason

  • Tony Mattisson
    Tony MattissonMåned siden

    I bought my Hyundai i40 1.7L turbo diesel 2016 with a DCT transmission in it. It has gone long at 190000km. Anyone know about the quality of the 7-speed DCT transmission from Hyundai? The only thing I've noticed so far is when the car is cold and I start driving. It's then feels rougher and like it slips. Wondering if an DCT transmission oil change would help it to feel a little smoother when it's cold started? Any hacks of getting the temperature up on the oil. Like haveing the gear selector in N(neutral) or P(park) for some time to warm it up faster before I drive away? It feels like it takes longer for it to get it to change into 2nd gear as well when cold. Otherwise with the 1.7L CRDi with DCT feels awesome when I accelerate it fast in the sport mode. I'm happy with it so far.

  • ussling
    usslingMåned siden

    Three pedals and a shift lever. Anything else is blasphemy. More parts and electronic felgercarb = more things to break and more money to repair.

  • Ficon
    FiconMåned siden

    I personally find that highly boosted 4-cylinder engines feel terrible with a DCT. Without a torque converter to let the turbo spool up, you end up with clutch slip off-boost and massive lag. The shift time difference between even the best DCTs (Porsche PDK) and industry-standard torque converter automatics (ZF 8HP) is imperceptible in regular driving and I would take a torque converter over a DCT for a daily driver for reasons of better drivability, durability and lower maintenance.

  • A-Frame-Wedge
    A-Frame-WedgeMåned siden

    Manual is more reliable, so it is the best.

  • Nathan Hamers
    Nathan HamersMåned siden

    Just one thing that i'm wondering is with the dual clutch transmission. When in first 1 and and 2 are meshed. then shifting only takes a clutch swap. but in second 2 and 3 are meshed. But does that mean that going from second to fist the synchroniser has to change from 3 to 1 first? and then swap the clutch resulting in a much slower down shift than upshift?

  • James Larsen
    James LarsenMåned siden

    After having a zf-8 in my 2016 a6 that needed complete replacement around 30k miles at a cost of 12k billed to Audi cpo and then started to act up again two months later .... then wife’s 2016 s5 dual clutch started to act up I had enough of these complex transmissions. We do not beat on our cars at all. I went to a manual Tacoma and she to a model 3 performance. Either a manual or no transmission for me

  • Bear Claw
    Bear ClawMåned siden

    Jason nailed it as always. I could actual follow along thanks to his meticulous drawings. Well done good man.

  • Fred Minter
    Fred MinterMåned siden

    From my perspective the advantage of a manual is threefold. 1st is the ability to skip gears. I hate having to go through multiple actions to get to the gear I want. Which brings up the 2nd advantage, not having to "remember" whether I have made 2 downshifts or 3. The final advantage to me is a spin off of the second, I can tell which gear I am in just by the feel of where the gearshift is, I don't have to look at a readout to tell me thus not having my concentration interrupted at an inopportune time. It might be argued also that in a track enviorenment the "quicker" lap time may be offset with the possibility of being abke to stretch an extra lap out if the fuel or having a fractionally faster refuel time. Besides, they are more fun!

  • Peter Koch
    Peter KochMåned siden

    I have a single-speed zero-clutch transmission in my car 😉.

  • Oliver Hoffmann
    Oliver HoffmannMåned siden

    Eventually, there will be an autonomous vehicle that drives faster than a human with a DCT. Will that be better? No, because it's driver involvement, not lap times, that makes it better. There's a pleasure to driving a manual that is absent in the DCT, regardless of how fast it shifts.

  • 86surge
    86surgeMåned siden

    where's the nurburgerking footage?

  • Bradley Bates
    Bradley BatesMåned siden

    i have a 2020 sonata with the 1.6T (thanks to this channel) it also has a 7 speed DCT, love the package but slow city driving can be a little jolty from the transmission shifts, but that's what makes highway merging so fun. wish there was a sport mode and calm mode for the transmission

  • mvelandia
    mvelandiaMåned siden

    commercials are getting unmanageable - didn't make it past the manual trans explanation :(

  • vhjioa
    vhjioaMåned siden

    Drawings are really top notch! As pedagogical it can get 😃👏

  • Bob the Hat King
    Bob the Hat KingMåned siden

    No transmission is the best transmission in 2020 🙃

  • AwesomeMachine
    AwesomeMachineMåned siden

    Me trying to be faster than a dct shifting like a psycho

  • Dan Oberste
    Dan ObersteMåned siden

    QUESTION- When the DCT is in 2nd gear (and 4th) does the lower gear shaft collar advance to the next gear up? Or is there a shift delay while both shaft collars shift together? If it's the former, it would seem that down shifting would be slower, if the latter, there would be a delay between each second shift. Thanks!

  • KeyGoal Project
    KeyGoal ProjectMåned siden

    Ford’s dual clutch Powershit says hi

  • Inacio F. Marques
    Inacio F. MarquesMåned siden

    Manual of course

  • Juvin Antony
    Juvin AntonyMåned siden

    One quick question, I have a turbo charged petrol car. as per few details, its suggested to idle the car before starting and stopping the car especially after hard revv . But my car support "smart start/stop ( which off the engine when in a red light and gear is in neutral)". So will this feature work against that above mentioned "idling before stop" theory? Please reply. Thanks in advance

  • Kismias
    KismiasMåned siden

    been in manual and been in dual clutch and manual is WAAAAAAAAAAY slower than dual clutch. Its painful the amount of time it takes a human to shift gears compared to computer that literally does things 1000s of times a second.

  • 7ViewerLogic
    7ViewerLogicMåned siden

    Great video!

  • SpeedDarlingtonTv
    SpeedDarlingtonTvMåned siden

    I want my 13 minutes back too boring.

  • SpeedDarlingtonTv
    SpeedDarlingtonTvMåned siden

    I don’t understand it.

  • Frank
    FrankMåned siden

    Great video! Is it true that the Veloster n with the DCT is the only one that has the over boost feature?

  • jj lad
    jj ladMåned siden

    The biggest difference is the cost to rebuild a manual gearbox vs a dual-clutch.

  • Your Mom
    Your MomMåned siden

    Manuals are old tech now. There's simply no practical use for them anymore. It's a niché market.

  • Mike Stanbro
    Mike StanbroMåned siden

    Outstanding presentation. I continue to be impressed by your ability to present complex topics clearly and quickly. Your drawings and overlaid animations in this presentation are excellent. Thanks for putting in so much time and effort on this.

  • Shiva
    ShivaMåned siden

    Simple... If you want ride-rider connection, good adrenaline rush & want control over shifts go for stick shift. If you are lazy & want some adrenaline rush go for DCT

  • James Valor
    James ValorMåned siden

    The diagrams are beautiful!!

  • aLERNO
    aLERNOMåned siden

    Any chance you will REVIEW THE NEW TOYOTA MIRAI? Eagerly hoping (I hope they build a proper, realistic, efficient alternative fuel vehicle, so all the masses of r^e^t^a^r^d^s, 99,9% of humanity, get on it, fix the climate and leave combustion fuels only for those exclusive, few, true petrolheads' and riders' 0,00001%)

  • MrPoconoracing
    MrPoconoracingMåned siden

    I assume no launch control in the 6sp? If it had it, that 0-60 time would be much closer. Additionally most oems would program their trans control to make it fairly useless in a track setting. Conservative Computer Blocked downshifts. How was the Hyundai?

  • Kimberly Rae
    Kimberly RaeMåned siden

    Foe a performance or track car, DCT is the clear winner. For a normal road car, though, it is an inappropriate waste of money.

  • Reol
    ReolMåned siden

    DCT!

  • YourNickIsTaken
    YourNickIsTakenMåned siden

    When the clutch is disengaged for a long time it is not good for the clutch because it is weakening the springs which will cause extra ware on the disk. As I learned from a precious EE video. How is it different in case of a dct?

  • Mr. Handy
    Mr. HandyMåned siden

    Would you please explain the specification found on 2-Stroke oil bottles like TCI and whatnot there is out there?

  • Skitt64
    Skitt64Måned siden

    How does a dual clutch transmission compare to a quick shifting auto like the ZF8 in a straight line? Seems like the torque converter would have an advantage in launches thanks to brake boosting and torque multiplication.

  • Uri Keshet
    Uri KeshetMåned siden

    Wait there's no power loss and a torque converter on a DCT so why the fuel consumption difference? Is it due to more aggressive lower gears?

  • hooplehead101

    hooplehead101

    Måned siden

    Interesting question: I think its pretty complicated with a lot of factors, for example I have noticed that mor powerful cars often have BETTER consumption values given with DCTs or even automatic. The opposite mostly with smaller cars. Number of gears, setup of gear ratios, test cycles...

  • Jackson Gault
    Jackson GaultMåned siden

    This man is the James Hoffman of cars

  • Yogesh Kulkarni
    Yogesh KulkarniMåned siden

    Brilliantly Explained 👌🏻

  • Mike Teo
    Mike TeoMåned siden

    How does a DCT ensure that it shifts smoothly and instantaneously from one clutch pack to another? If a clutch pack were to lag behind because of a mechanical issue, would that smash the gears?

  • Duc Nguyen
    Duc NguyenMåned siden

    Huyndai got overheat problem : with dct in rush hour

  • tokyo skid
    tokyo skidMåned siden

    @Engineering Explained Hi Jason, have a question not related to this video, but can't find a diffinitve answer. Hi there, quick question for you. I've always been taught that toe will even out, so even if you have one side that is badly aligned, and the other is good, the steering wheel will become crooked and there will be wear on both tires. I was wondering if this is true. it makes sense to me since that would provide the least resistance to forward motion of the vehicle. That basically all we really care about is total toe, and steering wheel straightness, as long as the tie rods are even remotely close in length. But I've been hearing that toe being excessive on one side can cause wear on only one tire, and it can only effect one side of the vehicle. If you have time to answer I'd be extremely grateful. I enjoy your videos a lot, for detail like I just mentioned that I normally don't get.

  • Sficlassic
    SficlassicMåned siden

    Yes DCT's are better in performance. What wasn't mentioned was the cost if it fails. I may be wrong but I think a MT will be cheaper to repair.

  • AzazelCain
    AzazelCainMåned siden

    I can't believe you listed "bump start" as a pro for manual. Bottom of the barrel

  • Samuel Diotte
    Samuel DiotteMåned siden

    I haven't watched the video yet, I do know DCT is better tho but I still only want manual

  • Falcon enzo
    Falcon enzoMåned siden

    Hey thanks for information, would be wonderful if you explain the 18 speed manual transmission on semi trucks, and which is best: double clutch shifting of float between the gears without actually using the clutch. Thanks again

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