5 Genuinely Impressive "Flaws" Of The C8 Corvette
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The Brilliant Engineering Of The Mid-Engine 2020 Chevrolet Corvette C8
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The 2020 Chevrolet Corvette C8. It's a supercar killer and it's headed to driveways for a fraction of the price. You know it's mid-engined, you know it's crazy fast But is it without flaw? Several "flaws" seem to be the main talking points: that it's brake-by-wire, that the C7 had more stopping grip, that it understeers, that it uses a two-valve-per-cylinder pushrod engine, and that it comes with all-season tires. But if look closely at the engineering behind any of these elements, you'll find there's actually a brilliant story to be told.
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*Important Note!* Much confusion in the comments regarding "brake-by-wire." The system shown is absolutely "brake-by-wire." Lots of comments suggesting this is electrically assisted brakes, or something other than brake-by-wire, which are inaccurate claims. I asked Brembo about the system, and here was their response: "In normal use, the pedal is engaging a master cylinder, but the system runs in “open loop” so the master cylinder doesn’t generate any pressure. Normally the system takes pedal travel data and outputs a pressure using the electric pump based on the calibration done by GM and Bosch. In the unlikely event of a failure in the electrical hydraulic pump, or the entire vehicle electrical system, the master cylinder then becomes the operational fail safe to generate pressure and make braking still possible." In other words, this is a brake-by-wire system, with a hydraulic failsafe in the unlikely event of electronic failure.
Conrado FMC_Ny
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You quit your job to do what? Be a pilot??
John Smith
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This is really random, but what are those black shoes you’re wearing?
Fredashay Klavierstein
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Who drives a supercar in the snow?!?! (Well, except for _Daily Driven Exotics,_ lol.)
matthewbw111
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matthewbw111
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Why every car hard brakes make steering wheel shaking , even you fight it i still see it shaking 4:22
To all you negative posters and GM haters, why do you watch the videos?
Stops worse than the C7...my C7 stops on a dime, not sure what you meant by that comment.
Dan Lemke
8 dager siden
Being kinda picky, aren't you? Pretty sure you know what he meant and wasn't trying to shade your C7. PC police, who needs them...
Wait. I notice you have the self adjusting work bench in the background there. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE WORKBENCH PLEASEEEEEE REVIEWWWWW
6th flaw: dat steering wheel
Still an unsafe cardboard car, very poorly designed if you look closely at the different aspects of it ... and obsolete. This car should have been out 25 years ago, and they should have had a front-mid engine variant as well. The times provided by GM aren't real, nor are the specs they claim. Overall, a good kit car but not worth the paper it's made out of.
Dan Lemke
8 dager siden
Don't buy one.
I like understeer. Brake by wire? That's not what I want to hear. I don't even like drive by wire throttle bodies. But, that being said, the C8 Corvette is the only new vehicle I would buy. If I could afford a new vehicle.
all season tires are a scam for a tire to be an “all season” just means the tire performs on wet roads and those tires are suicidal in any weather below 50 degrees
Given Michelin is known in the 2-wheeled world for making sport-touring tires that grip as much as many supersport tires, I'm not surprised they can make all-season car tires that grip like sport tires.
Pushrod engines are great. Simple, compact, inexpensive, and with the right valvetrain you can still rev them pretty high. Since it is old tech, you also have loads of modification options, as well, and with only the one camshaft it's much less expensive to go from a street-oriented setup to something more racey. And of course you have all of those options for pretty valve covers! Cammers are great, but for performance achievable for mere mortals, pushrods are here to stay
If there is complaint about understeer in the C8 i would assume (not having driven one) that they're not driving correctly, maybe? As you come into a tight corner you should be braking, you want to start turning while the nose of the car is still pitched down. Its the dynamic of Mid or Rear engine car, you need to balance the weight transfer to drive to its full potential. This is why Porsche 911 is considered such a purest drivers car (even though Porsche has tried to engineer out its unforgiving handling characteristics) Besides, mild understeer is what you want for any track focused car.
Understeer is way scarier than oversteer. There's a whole motorsport about oversteering. Its the whole reason I hate fwd in winter.
In my job, I have the perks of being able to drive "used" C-8's to clear emission codes. Yesterday I drove one for 4 hours, traffic, hwy, freeway, all different conditions. It's difficult I know but someone has to do it, (and get paid!) =)
I just disregard anyone saying a pushrod car especially a v style engine is bad an you get a little more efficient engine with 4 times as many cams sure but I mean they will last longer with no major repairs or maintenance required because that's what they are going to call a timing belt or chain replacement but how many NHRA cars have pushrod v8s
The Corvette C8 is "Impressive" for finally joining the rest of the car world. -- And everything is amazing in america. When they give you money to say its amazing.
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I saw the 'pilot' on the side of the tires and instantly knew why they put on all seasons. Crazy tech and they work great in the winter.
You missed the fact the two low front radiators don't have adequate grille protection from road debris. You have to get an aftermarket grille with smaller holes to address this design flaw.
How many people actually track their corvettes?
In my opinion a car that understeers is faster then a car that oversteers. Let me explain why. when driving fast grip(0° slip angle) is faster then sliding(about 7°+ slip angle). But that's not entirely true when at the limit you will actually be about 1-5° slip angle. So when ur first learning how to drive a rwd car fast tuning for oversteer will help u learn how to control the cars as it slides but as you get better u want less sliding and more grip so by tuning the car for understeer u can still make the car oversteer by trail braking thus you can go around a turn faster with less slip angle. I'm no professional by no means but I've been around simulators for 15 years and this has been my experience. If anyone with more knowledge on this I would love to hear how close I am or how far.😝
Wow. And people pay this guy to do this. the entire video made absolutely no sense.
Dan Lemke
8 dager siden
You're kidding, right?
Brilliant comments!
Chevy offers to do business with you and suddenly pushrod engines are cool
You should build it but build it with a manual transmission
The only flaw it has is being a gm product...
please remember that Chrysler opted for the pushrod V10 instead of 4 cams overhead in the Viper because its lower center of gravity (and lack of space under the bonnet). GM did what Ford did in the 60s with the GT40, pushrod V8 in the back and make a mid-engined car with lower center of gravity. Dynamic the center of gravity shifts when driving accros lines, keep that line as low as possible and you have less roll in the car, so you can use a smaller swaybar to get the amount of roll you want. nice videos your channel!
So when turning the C8 give it more Barking Force and sticker tires and lighter rims then?
Is there any chance an engineering expert like yourself could do a video comparing the Ford GT against the C8 Corvette? Despite the price differences, there is so much that is comparable. And some big differences. Would love you to do an opinion based piece weighing the pros and cons of the two against each other :-)
I think the most impressive flaw of the C8 is putting the engine in the back. Who would think that a 911 with a front engine is sexy? That is my point.
Awesome ... love it :)
doing alright in the snow has more to do with being rear engine and actually having weight over the drive axle than anything.
2:16 I hope adding the rest of the body panels strengthens up the brake pedal mount. Did you see the whole brake pedal frame move when he hits the brake pedal.
You missed the main problem. The front radiators are prone to stone damage. The openings are too big. We get it, smaller screens would restrict are flow. But Ive seen these with just a few thousand miles on them with hundreds of little dents on the front cooling fins of the radiators.
What about DFM?
Thank you ,on another note dealerships are selling c8 for over a hundred thousand they are ripping people off ,can anyone stop this , you buy a vette and the dealer gets 3/4 of one free ,madness
So me how any of the oil companies are better then one another. You cant tell by the oil samples, ROFL
Look at that surprising amount of chassis flex when brake pedal pressure is applied @ 1:08!
Celebrate that turd
Inexperienced driver should be buying high performance cars cuz they're ignorant just like if you're a millionaire doesn't mean you can handle the Ferrari dumbass I have a 1990 Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversary and I never crashed it cuz I know how to drive but is your niece. Schreiber you shouldn't buy a high-performance car because you deserve to eat the guard rails just don't kill anybody in the process
Dan Lemke
8 dager siden
You don't have to wreck your car to be a jerk...
look I have an engineering degree University of Hartford you're not supposed to press the brake pedal you're supposed to pump it like you do your girlfriend
Congrats Chevy just made a Ferrari 355 replica from 1995...maybe 360 Modena from 2000?
Dan Lemke
8 dager siden
Don't buy one.
I used to ignor these Chevy's as a bit of joke frankly, I take it back, its hell of a car for the money, congrats from the U.K. well done chaps
Great help and reality check... Thanks.
Those are some big ass headers that would never work in a front engined car If I were buying one I would definitely get the all season tires
I can see why the car would not come with neg 3 front camber, but neg .5? Why not give the car a safe neg 1.0.
Built by an American for an American
Video on vette.. lol Just scrap it.. smh
That's why low profile tires suck, they can't soak up unsprung weight.
Can I put that in MY garage? Chevy: Hell no.
The New C8 corvette, is nothing more than a fat Ford Ford GT wannabe
Long live the pushrod engine. I'll take torque over high RPM any day.
C8 is a piece of sh*t compared to other cars in that class, seriously it is like a person is buying old tech
excellent!
Great video! During the tire portion, I couldn't help but hearing a Les Schwab tech insisting that these tires still need to be carved up and siped for "safety" lol
Didn't even address the shortage of cupholders in this thing...
Great engineering of car by GM ..... wait is that Bosch, brembo or someone else’s design. I can tell you a massive amount about the engineering on a car by how difficult is is to replace a headlamp bulb. I just replaced a headlight bulb on a 2007 Buick(GM) for an older lady. It just showed why GM went bankrupt by 2009.
60/40 weight distribution. But when the top secret, Skunk Works all wheel drive system comes out, it will be 50/50 once again.
flaws do seem great when u get payed to say so
In terms of engineering these are not really big problems. To me the fact that the A pillar is not solidly connected to the C pillar is the biggest problem. If they had done that that car would have been able to have more torsional rigidity, be safer and as an added bonus it could have been lighter because all the stiffening down below would not have been necessary. If I want a sports car I will buy one that is constructed in a sound way from an engineering perspective. In other words, I will never buy a car with a removable top.
Sorry to many commercials to want to subscribe.
Just curious.....i could never afford a car like this.... Why did Chevy not want Overhead Cams.?
I also have a see through C8. You can see ALL the way through mine. 😂
tecnicaly they are not ''all seasons'' they are summer tires with a slightly softer blend and snow grip tecnology. they work for climates where it don't get that cold in the winter. they whould not work as all season tires in places where it actualy get's fairly cold in the winter becaus they are only designed to run in milder cold conditions. so tecnicaly they are only all season in som parts of the world
When computers glitch... People died.
It just Has to be Barry Allen reviewing fast cars :P. I kid, I kid. I just thought the ressemblance is funny. Respect!
OMG! In this car the door trim is way off from aligning from the dash board trim. One of these just sold for 90K on BaT.
The point is that the C8 is intended for drivers of average ability and knows it. All kinds of videos out there of drivers finding out that they have a high performance car but don't have high performance driving skills.
Pushrod engine is not a disadvantage.
Sounds like a lot of excuses for lack of ability to build this car properly. Some manufacturers just never get it right. That said, I would still love one.
It’s nice Chevrolet is participating in helping us all to learn why they did things
I know a guy who has one of these and he's very happy with it!
I have driven formula and other track cars, so I do have an appreciation for something really good. I can afford this new Corvette. But even if I were a billionaire and could afford exotics that cost hundreds of thousands, I'd still buy this Vette.
What color is that Corvette and is it a convertible?
Gonna be honest. I came here to disagree about the car but after watching the whole video you've basically debunked all my complaints about it.
72k sticker for a chevy? 100k+ if you really want one? well, at least they quit using leaf springs. Took them long enough.
Great video. Too bad NOlocal put commercials in every 30 seconds.
Ahh yes the Ferrari of Americans
#1 it's a GM product
Had "FUN" driving my dads corvette home in February in Alaska with formula 1 summer tires, a drive that normally takes 2 hours took nearly 4 hours, got to the house and car was sliding sideways down the driveway.
Is there a manual version of this car?
great video.
Whatever happened to downshifting to slow down? Too many people depend on Brakes to slow them down instead of driving in the right gears. Using your foot brake to slow you down changes the cars posture through a corner and tends to make you go slower through the corner. I tend to minimise my braking pressure to maximise the design of the tyres. I’m often 20% faster on track than a Brake jockey, and many of them don’t get why ....
Great video! I just got my C8 two weeks ago and it was super cool to see the cutaway version of the car. Keep bringing us the good stuff :*)
This was so sick! How the hell did you get a cutaway of a c8?? In any case, I appreciate the engineering perspective. It helps me realize WHY Chevy did what they did.
Yet another great job. Real engineering content, clearly explained, no B.S. Back around 2000 I had a Porsche Turbo that I drove at some track days at Laguna Seca. (Lifelong dream fulfilled!) - anyway - I went with 2 year old brake fluid and managed to boil it -- that is a sinking feeling to be sure! (Lesson learned!) The Corvette system is brilliant in that regard - great job of explaining it!
I don't see any flaws, really. I don't like the squared steering wheel, but that's just me.
needs a de esser.
Could you dive into the design of the transaxle? I understand that they require more fluid to be added for track use but if you remove the wrong (fill plug look-alike) bolt it could destroy the transaxle.
Did vtech kick in yet?
So, maybe 100 Corvettes are raced on a track, I prefer a Jag more of a man's car...
Another flaw: its not a Mosler.
I like this dudes channel, but it’s starting to feel like Commercials Explained. 4-5 commercials in a 12 min vid... does he decide this or NOlocal?
Ugly and slow AF.
Wasn’t the previous corvette front Mid engine vs present rear mid engine
European cars must go through a 25 emergency stops, one after another, with no brake fade. The world follows Euro tech even emissions with Euro 6 emissions on car/Euro 5 motorcycles. Of course, European vehicles have been designed for the high speed autobahn both with safety and durability.
I'm still stuck back on the "No Stick Issue". Yep, so bad I went out and purchased a new 2019 GS Manual 7-speed. Couldn't be happier.
Is this your normal voice?
Understeer while braking on a wet road is necessary for inexperienced drivers. If you do not understand this try driving downhill on a packed snow covered twisty road in a 65 Beetle. The problem with this video is the host cannot speak without yelling. Most annoying. Oh, I own a C-6 Coupe. Great car.
No track test that has not gone to the "green hell" is a track test. Call me...
1. Change your damn brake fluid.